I am one of those Southern deer shooters that is a nay-sayer about NBTs, and from other postes I think I know why. From information I hear on this site I think the 7mm and 30s must hold up better(might just be the weight). I have killed most of my deer with a 270, going through my NBT phase I SAW lack of penetration and jacket separation. My dad on the other hand has shot several trophy Texas Deer and he always insisted on his .280. I thought he was crazy to drag a Ruger .280 to YO Ranch when he could grab one of many 30s that shot better, but he kills effectivly with no lost animals. Can't argue.

Now when I shot deer with .270 NBT(Win Suprm, 130gr, 120 to 130# deer) and had jacket separation I did collect the deer and it killed them very dead. My fear is that I will be in a swamp or extreamly thick area make a good shot and in 70-80 deg weather not find a deer in time. I hate waste, I try to give myself every advantage I can for the situation I hunt in.

Case-in-point dad lung shot a nice Fla deer with 243 NBT and we could not find blood.I assume no exit and a plugged intrance. One week later we found within 150 yards. Exit even if a bad shot in gut would have helped greatly. Yes I know we could have missed something in tracking, but hours were spent by two poeple, shot was only 75 Yards.

I now shoot trophy bonded in my 270 and it is perfect for me(tack driver). It should be noted I have tried these $35 a box cartridges is several customer guns and very few shoot well,so I quit recommending.