I'd check Ebay. In fact, I'm constantly doing that for Monarch 8x42s. Some good deals there, some not-so-good. I'm definitely going to pick some up, just a matter of when I get some cash. My wife just reminded me to pay another bill, so it probably won't be today. I just bought a Nikon rangefinder, and too many toys in too short a time is not a good thing (its a great thing, but my wife would disagree...) There's a good article in this months american hunter about mid range binoculars and what makes one pair better than the next, etc. One thing that they mention is that you sacrifice brightness for higher magnification. Also, if I decide to do any serious 3D, I don't want to be buying optics I can't use. Also, the lower magnification will probably require a little less of a steady hand. I've pretty much decided that Nikon Monarch ATBs in 8x42 is what I'll be getting. Black or camo... doesnt really matter. I like camo tho, lol. Maybe when I sell my old rangefinderor my old truck I'll start bidding...