I just love the sight of guys walking around the ElK woods with 300 ULA or some other high velocity round Senderos...enough goretex to make a cook tent and bipods on their rifles.. nylon backpacks and 40 oz binoculars hanging from their neck not to mention the 1000 gram of Thinsulate in their 5 1/2 lb "Mountain Hunter Boots" . Makes those marketing types at the outdoor retailers real proud.