How's the old saying go? You don't have to smoke crack to know it's bad for you? [8D]

No, you're exactly right, of course; I've never worn ASAT.... because once I found Predator Fall Gray, I had a baseline to compare ASAT to, and I never felt it justified spending my money on it. I've seen hundreds of pics of the stuff, studied it, and just don't feel confident that it breaks up the outline like Fall Gray does in a tree whena hunter isclose to or has been skylighted.

Now, maybe I need to add this bit of clarification, as well. I don't think Fall Gray is the end-all pattern for all types of hunting. ASAT would beat its socks off, say... out in Nebraska hunting from the ground for prairie goats. On just about any ground hunt, I'd give ASAT the nod... Or Deception. It's when it's up in a tree after the leaves have fallen that I think this stuff beats ASAT hands down. But... how did Marc put it in his quote up above? "To each his own..."

The other thread which was started by LT after buying some Fall Gray certainly shows off the pattern's ability to obliterate parts of the human body, but -- as Davidmil aptly pointed out -- there's better patterns for that scenario.

I'd still like to see a pattern which combined a myriad of features which we've been discussing. I think it was Matt in Il who asked me on another thread the question about why Fall Gray doesn't have more background showing through as it originally did. I answered him that I'd be one happy man if the owners would move back in that direction, so I certainly think there's room for improvement. Maybe if someone could take some ASAT-like principles, add a VERY light background (which would blend with the sky), add some jagged blocks over the background (to obliterate the outline), then lay the confusing lines over that... Now THAT'S a pattern which has got some potential!