As ya'll know, I'm an Excal fan. I've made some observations I'm gonna share. Actually, when you get an Excal, you are getting two bows for the price of one. The breakdown is as follows: E'max/E'cet, E/cet/Phoenix, Phoenix/Vixen. With stock 350 gr arrows and fff string the Emax is at 350/355 fps. Go to 431 gr arrows you are gonna be near 330 fps, same as Ecet. Take the Phoenix outta the box, 350 gr arrows, fff string, 300/305 fps. Put an Excel on it and go to 431 gr. it's at 290 fps. Take the E'max, put Excel and 431 gr arrows, 308 fps, near Phoenix performance w/ tad better k.e. I know this won't affect you wheel guys, and btw Hotburn, that post about Hortons and 30 yrs of supporting the xbow was excellant! Your experiences w/ yours is probably not that remarkable, more the norm I'd think. I know they have an out standing service dept, I've used it. Hope this info helps you Excal guys, present or future.