BBJ, thanks for the offer. I actually paid $449 for my 450 guide gun brand new in the box. The gunshop had it on sale and it was $70 dollars off. I know they have one left (or did) at the same price. This is the same shop I saw the xlr although they may not have that anymore either. It's called Trop gun shop in elizabethtown Pa. It's actually closer to Mount Joy though. You can find their number on yellowpages.com.