i guess your right some get pretty big..one deer hit daily and yearly got tp be pretty big as the season went on...but i know he made it...went back today and seen the stick marks in it again....and if your 41 you definently cant take either bucks because of the ARs...4 pts or more on a side to be legal...i being a junior can take either of them...and a senior can...and that guy looked to be 25 or so and i know he cant...less the 4pt was bigger lol...the rack was pretty big but i dont think it would made 4pts on a side...maybe a 6pt at best...today i didnt see anything...2 kids came busting through while i was waiting for the deer...not a speck of orange on...its fall turkey small game and archery season and 2 kids are walking in the woods with no orange...no gun or bow but still should have orange on...even though im not hunting i wear an orange hat...