I have to agree about the photos. I've been fortunate enough to see this stuff first hand and it's different that it is in a photo. The contrast is amazing face to face. I saw Chucks boy put a jacket on and walk away and my eyes actually played tricks on me as he melted into a grass field. I really don't like the photos either. Being a camo junky I ordered pants, jacket and hat. I'll take photos of my own and I'll include Realtree, Mossy Oak, ASAT and Predator in the same settings.....that's what I'm interested in.

I also gave Chuck my feedback on the photos and he said that's all he had time for but the different contrasts of photos is amazing. Nobody offers that and tsoc is right, Chuck cares about what you have to say, what you can offer in criticism, suggestions, but not attacks.

The cost is very inexpensive compared to equal quality products. Wolfskin is not cheap in itself and Chuck is offering this camo/Wolfskin at a substantial decrease than you'll spend if you bought Predator in the same material from the manufacturer. He gets $200 for a pair of pants and Chucks is $100...that's half etc...the quality is unsurpassed and this camo WILL NOT FADE.... my last ASAT sure as heck did.

I agree that ASAT is a fantastic pattern, no doubt and I'll always say it, but the product is being degraded, not the pattern but the product. I know mine faded to almost unusability. (is that a word) I'll never doubt the ASAT as a pattern.

Like I said, I'm excited about putting Enigma through the tests I have with Realtree, MO, Predator and ASAT in the past. I'm still open minded to it at least until I use it, I take the photos and I see it on someone in a real world hunting situation. I'll keep my mind open and I trust Chuck's opinion and concept because after all, he was the main man behind ASAT and is responsible for where ASAT is today. If Chuck says he feels he has created the inception for a better pattern, I believe him. I'll keep my mind open and can't wait to play with the Enigma pattern.