Thank ya'll for the good wishes and good advice. Just checked both the Phoenix and E'max at 30. My hunting arrows have "tarted-up shafts", LOL Dnk and so weigh 10 gr more than the 431's I shoot, plus have a tad different FOC, so I have a mark on V-zones that I can go back and forth between the two weights. I'm guessing ya'll be curious how much difference, answer: a good 2" at 30. Both bows put a slick right in the center of target, like I hoped they would, but years of facing mysteries shooting stuff has left me a sceptic. Ya gotta love a 2000+ plus year old weapon design that does what these things do, no matter whose name is on the label!! Hope to have a good report when I get back!! p.s. Somebody crank up Henry a little while I'm gone.