You tell me. I have hunted the same area all my hunting years. I have gone up and down the hill, there just arent the signs like there used to be. Most of those guys are also taking doe. I used to see up to 30 deer the first day of buck. I am lucky now if I see 5. It used to sound like fireworks going off on the first day-not anymore. The deer population up here is getting down. You know as well as I do that alot of guys also take deer illegally. Where I said they are taking 3-4 deer you know that some of those dont have tags for all of them. No I dont know who they are but everybody hears stuff. I am usually the first guy out there for archery season (which means they arent spooked yet) and I am "lucky" to see 5 deer all day. Maybe it is the area I hunt in but you talk to alot of guys up here and compared to 20 years ago it just isnt the same. I know nothing is the same after 20 years but for our wildlife to go down is a major problem. Something needs to be done but nobody will listen. Hopefully they will before it is too late.