well they are accurate and shoot well out to 150 or so and are as good as but most times better then the 22 mag. i have shot a few coyotes with it and works well but all shots were about 50yrds or less. i basicly only use the 20gr. in my trials it doesnt blow things up like the vmax does. yes the vmax are designed to do that i find it to be wastefull when shooting for the table. though i must question ryanaller on his fall turkeys with it. im not sure where he hunts and i may be wrong but it seems taking a turkey with a rifle may not be kosher. agian i may be wrong but just wondering if any one else caught that?