OK I'm a MORON. Here I am not even doing it right with the V-Pin. OK I shoot a verticle 5 pin but never even thought about utilizing the darn front leg as a guide. Now I hit where I aim but have noticed that my groupings are not what they should be. Consistant! Standards I set for myself are 2" at the most. I always learn something even though this should have been obvious. DUH! Thanks guys.