Thank you all. It seems that all that have respond have a clue as to what I am talking about then. I understand that the city areas are loaded with deer so I have to applaud you all that hunt those areas. Myself get tired of talking to this kind of individual "There are no deer left in this state!" So I asked them if they got any last year. There response, " Yeah, I took my two, my brother took three, and my buddy took three."