i could'nt have said it better than Codydawg, thanks we all wish we could have dogs but some of us just cant, we as non dog hunters try our best to take a good shot as not to cripple any birds , i watched many of birds get away becouse i did not want to take a chance of crippling a bird and not finding it,,, so let us non dog hunters hunt the way we can without a dog im not asking im saying we will hunt the way we want and thats it, you cant change it, unless you want to donate a $800. brittney,,,,,,,lol <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>