Not really. I hang around cause I enjoy hearing what Dnk has to say. But as a person on the outside I suggest another argument. When people say its like a gun, they mean, you don't have to draw it.And you know that they know that you know what they mean. The people who makes that argument know what they mean, and if you try to morph it into a mechanical engineering class, you really lose your point and sound not too smart.

This is not gospel but a guy outside looking in. A more convincing argument is history. Another is the one shot both have. Stay away from obvious's and negatives and amplify the positives. It works in politics.

I have had the opportunity to see arguments on both sides here in MD at the state house. I am just saying what works in my mind.