thanks for the help guys. I know a break is really harsh on the ears i had to have one installed on my 223remington when i had back surgery. I know a 223rem doesnt kick at all to me to begin with but with just having back surgery they said any jarring at all and i could have been paralyzed so i got it breaked. My dads buddy also uses a 7mm rem with a boss on it so i know how breaks act. I always shoot with a pair of muffs no matter if im on the bench or in the field. I am going to purchase a pair of walker game ear power muffs for my trip. I dont want to have the regular muffs on and the guide telling me what to do and not being able to hear him. I think the muffs would be a wise investment. Thanks for you're help fella's. Keep the idea's coming.