I've been watching E-Bay also for a long time and since they came out, I've seen Legacy's for sale. A lot of them were advertised as new in the box or shot only a few times. I've also seen Patriots for sale but not even close to the numbers I've seen for Mathews. What I don't understand is why anyone would pay almost new price for a used bow without a warranty instead of going to a shop and getting one to fit perfectly and with a warranty. A used Patriot for $425.00 IMO would be a great buy but if you get up within $150.00 of new price on any bow, it would be best to buy new.