excellent report Phil. There is some information in there I can use when trying to figure out some of the conical I have been shooting. One thing I discovered about Pinnacle and APP is, those powders did not like large conicals or large sabots. As long as I kept them under 300 grains, all systems were a go, and accuracy was exceptional. And as you stated, no swabbing. Goex 3f is my all around do everything powder. Granted I have a couple rifles that shoot better with something different, but Goex 3f will normally produce the best overall groups of all powders. I was going to shoot today but it was 102 degrees out. Just walking around outside was not pleasant. Especially when the house was so nice and cool...