Htoler: I got one, Outdoors Experience, but think Smoke has a better one. He'll be sure to let ya know. There was a site on Excal that was real reasonable too, prolly near a page back by now. Lemme know if ya can't find em, I'll try to help. Check the trading post forum on Excal, there was a one year old Phoenix package deal w/ price dropped, appears the owner wants to deal. Your 10 pt arrows [431 gr] are my favorites, and both made by GT. Last I saw the guy was under $500 for the whole works.