You can rest assure I know where you are comming from I lived in S.E. VA. for 12 years and hated the way the hunting was there every min. Clubs like Franklin hunting club. Frogg hunting club, Unitis and Sunbeam would give me a fit. I owned 14 ac. in S. Hampton Co. and they would treat it like it was theirs total disrespect. The average member no problem, the dog men,and the officers would run around the woods trying to cut the dogs off and if that ment going on my property so be it. Ya call the law on them and they were in the good ol boy network and give me a bunch of mouth garbage. An hour latter they would be right back. While the average member had to draw a stand number and not move from that stand or he would be fined the first time and thrown out the second time. All the time you have fools running around trying to cut them off. I had a lot of fun with my friends hunting there but 50% of the time the club would ruin it. And I tell you it wasen't just one club it was all of the above mentioned. And if you are a regular member of one of those clubs I feel bad for you. And if you are one of the bumms I mentioned shame on you. But to me thats what a VA, sportsman is. I would spend as much time in Rockbridge Co. hunting the mts. as much as possiable so I didn't have to deal with those bumm's on my own property. But as you must know the season up there is short so I could not hunt or deal with them. Anyway I sold that property to a state police officer so I thought they would get theirs but come to find out he was a member of their club and they ended up with it anyway. God I hate Va. So thats my story and the way it was. I know you have many more deer down there then we have here but you can keep every one I will stay up here and hunt my few deer and be happy. No dogs and when you run into another hunter you usually get a smile a hello and a hand shoke.By the way if you ever get up this way look me up I have property in Maine and Mass. and your more then welcome to hunt on it when ever you want. Good Luck Mike