The 270 ballet is fast becomingmy all around favorite. Like you, I think 80 grains is the Goldi-locks charge for trajectory with out leading. Gets the 270 traveling about 1700 fps. Though I have toconfess, I would prefer it to be solid point atthose velocities, liking solids for impact above 1300 fps. For deer, Ithinkthis is a great bullet. Were it a solid point, I think it would reliably take elk to 100 yard (double lung), though I would not use it for that purpose if they were available.

I like ballets for cost, cost to propel, ease to load, and as a range substitute for heavier projectiles which tend to make my shoulder sore. I really like them for beginners. Say someone loads it without powder. The bullet is already tapped (the hollowpoint) for the bullet puller. It's great range bulletthat will definitely take deer sized game. If I were going to complain about anything, its their availability. Most shopsonly carry the 245 or PA conicals. Even Cabelas doesn't carry them. I have found them at http://Cheaperthandirt.com.

For anyone who has used the 245 and not the 270, the 270 IS NOT a 245 with a little more weight. The profile of the 270 is ballistically superior to the 245 having a pleasant large radius (forits weight) ogive. I've been using .12 for its BC and I think that figureis close. I'm pretty sure the 245 is below .10 for its B.C. In the future, I plan to use chrony data to calcuate a real world BC for it.

Even while 60 grains is a small charge (MV 1497fps), within 75 yards, I think it makes a potent deer killer with modest recoil for kids learning the sport. Small charge, small bullet is more forgiving of the mistakes beginners may make. May be my nephew's load when we draw our deer next time (we both failed to draw this year).

Happy Hunting, Phil