Well I got a yearling tonight but insteed with an arrow out of my Patriot going at about 270fps I used something with a little more kinetic energy, A 1999 Ford Ranger EXT cab 4x4 going at 88 fps (60mph)<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> Not the end to the hunting this afternoon that I was looking for. It knocked both my fog lamps, front spoiler, license plat, dented the bumper, tore up the transmittion cooler lines, busted the radiatior and air conditioner, to top it all off it pretty much tore the deer to peices it caught under my truck so no meat to show for all the damage. The insurance company is getting a call in the morning, I just hope they can get it fixed in about a week because firearm season starts the 16th.