I use the 348 gr. copper hollowpoints and 100 gr. of 777 for deer and have had great luck with them. I recovered my firstbullet last season, but it was on a quatering towards shot. I hit him in the right side base of the neck/shoulder. The bullet broke the shoulder, traveled the entire length of the body and stopped in the off side ham.Travel distance after the shot was O yards . Couldn't ask formuch better. I'll beplaying with the heavier 405 and 444 gr. powerbeltshere soon working up a hog load. Thisshould be interesting.