cayugad
Ok thanks. I forgot to ask you about the reason why you felt a GP HP projectile didn't needa wad? I told my buddy to use one as I had it in my head all non-saboted projectiles needed one ...

Redclub
Yes, we'll see about those conicals and my Ultra Mag. I'd sure like to have easier loading than those Hornadys I tried last weekend. Once the Nosler sabot was compressed the whole thing slid down the barrel pretty easy, but the amount of pressure I had to use w/ a short starter will most surely deform an all lead projectile and come to think of it, my buddy had a hard time loading the GP HPs too ... I definitely saw more than one mangled nose going down his Ultra Mag ...

cheers,
phil