I don't know what awshucks has in his, the Phoenix can be had fer $410.Add rope cocker, stringer, extra string half dz. arrows its still under $500 and ready to hunt! Deer don't stand a chance inside 30 yds.[8D]It will tear the covering off golf ball at 30 yds.[] Just put that green front bead on it and watch it get torn up after you are sighted in of course![:-]All the others just stand and watch this bad boy work![:@][&o]hahaha No use to hang yer heads just get an Excalibur the next time you need a crossbow to do the job right![8D]Thats right i be instagating, but i knowed who's xbow will take all the marbles home at the end of the day.Try but don't cry![][&o]