JQ7 I pm`ed you so as to not continue a heated debate on the forum,, and I did read all of your post thanks for calling me a lier,, and in your very first post you used the word lie.. as for me I will not put much into what you have to say since you were only able to provide info on one bow shot,, and then didnt even bother to ask the manufacturer if this was comon for their bows,, maybe their was a problem with the Elite that your customer bought I would be willing to bet that if your customer was to contact TenPoint this isshue would be addressed..by any chance do you know who makes the arrows for TenPoint?? I do... check into that and let us know who makes them.. anyway welcome to the forum I guess a heated debate now and then can be a good thing it can bring out some good info that might not normally come out..