MJ,I never said the gamelands have alot of grouse.I said there were alot of grouse in the exclosures.You need the right habitat tosupport the game.Thousands of acres of open timber is not good grouse habitat and the overabundant deer herds of the past are a big part of the problem for the lack of grouse habitat.When they timber the gamelands,it isn't always profitable.Alot of what they cut isn't marketable as paperwood let alone timber.Not all of the gamelands have high quality timber.Weather and the terrain also plays a role as well as the timing of a cut.It makes more sense to cut timber,especially oak when you have a good mast crop so there's a seed source on the ground.they aren't manging the gamelands for commercial timber.They do it for wildlife and guys like crazyhorse would realize that it they went to see a land manager.There is justification for not cutting alot of timber.If you cut much more than 1%a year you'll eventually end up with a bunch of pole timber that's worthles as wildlife habitat.There was also not point in cutting alot of timber in the norhern tier until the herd was reduced because you'd get minimal regeneration.

Sproulman.I never met Rawley so he could hardly be considered my friend.I don't know why that money isn't going toward the deer.I guess you'll have to ask Rendell.What's the money being allocated for?Isit for the habitat,relocationor viewing sites?A far as using tax dollars for that project,so what.Over 90% of pennsylvanians don't hunt so maybe many of them would prefer to see more elk than deer.It's their money too.