im not getting all this durable stuff about the talons. i switched to them and love them and the way i look at it lets just say every time you kill a deer you waste a broadhead that costs 10 bucks each like the talons, think about all the money spent on your stand, your hunting clothes, all your gear that you buy for hunting. isnt it worth it? now i shot 14 deer last year during bow season(we have a dmap stamp for damage and 12 went to hunters for the hungry) and i dint have a problem with any of my talons. they are nasty. i didnt have a deer go further than 30 yards from point of impact. i even shot one of the does through the head at 48 yards and it was apassthrough right through the skull destroying it and stuck in the ground 6 inches and still reused it. so for me the proof is in the pudding.