My summmit viper is okay, but I honestly don't care for it, it's big, bulky, and heavier than my other stands. I actually find it to be a real pain to move and carry through the woods. I sometimes walk a mile deep one way and the summit is the laststand I want to carry that far. I know alot of people rave about them on this site, but they just aren't for me.I think stands are like personalities, everyones has different likes or dislikes. I guess you should checkthem out inperson and pick the one you like.