Yup i remember that being the max on longbow and my recurve! Only with very clear shots at that![:-] I got out my compound and my carbon arrows. Well my left elbow and shoulder got to hurtin so bad i couldn't hold my form. Lost one arrow over deer targets back. Thats beginning to get real regular. I did make up my mind i am selling the whole compound outfit to whom ever i can get $150 or so from![&o]