Wow! Both of you guys have given me a lot of valuable information to digest... I couldn't let another year go buy without seeking some first hand knowledge!

Frustration comes much easier when opportunity knocks at your door and no ones home... I passed on a large buck in the 170's, 180's during big gun season,to get a late season shot at Ol Grand- Dad to no avail.

This bad boy has tines over a foot long and a two foot plusspread. When he snorts it is breath taking, and I've never heard him snort less than eight times. This occured during this past spring turkey season.

Two years ago I took my twelve year old on a youth hunt to the same farm. We seen him at 1:10 in the afternoonpass quickly betweenthree of my tree stands. He was headed to the spring fed pond and to meet up with his three does...

Half hour after dark he shows up at the pond. God! What a magnificient creature... I'm ate up , that's all there is to it. I hope to get him on my trail cam or with my bow, either way I'll be giving credit, where credit is due. Thanks guys for your input. I pray frustration gives way to confidence.

As a side note I once asked a Godly man, a missionary in a foreign landwhat he attributed his success too. He simply replied,"I surround myself with Godly men!"

Thanks guys for surrounding me with your wisdom...