I just read through my post and didn't like how this sounded. I am worried that I was sounding cocky and braging and thatwas not my intent at all. I want to clarify this somewhat. I meant to say that I don't feel that anyone (myself included) is or can be a expert at all times in all places. The reason I say this it their are too many places, seasons andscenarios to master them all, no matter what game your after.For me with elkI am good at hunting them in the rut in September, but when bowhunting on a late seaon migration elk hunt well thats a whole different ball game and in a wayI feel like newbe starting all over again. I would bet if you could take the Primos gang into a area with a lot of hunters and the elk were call shy they would have a hard time even killing smaller bulls for the camera. If you filmed themin that scenario I would betpeople would look at them in a different light and might not think they are such excellent hunters or "experts". On the other hand I have a friend who hunts such areas not too far outside of yellowstone park with a lot of hunters. He doesn't believe in calling at allbecasue the elk are call shy.But because of the time he has spent learing his area year after year, he has the elk patterned so good that knows the escape routes like the back of his hand. He is successful year after year, and he kills some nice bulls that other hunters can only dream of.For him to be successful he actuallyneeds a lot of hunting pressure to make the elk move into his traps. So I guess what I am also saying is there is many ways to skin a cat so to speak and I don't feel that one is better than the other. If it works for you then great, if not then adjust a few things here and there and try again. I know that many of you had a dad or uncle or grandpa that you learned from, so did I. And I hope you all can pass on what you have learned to another hunter, be it a son, daughter or just a friend.There are some excellent hunters on this forum and many of kids and even adults would be privledge to be able to learn from them. But even then I feel the animals themself can teach us far more than we can learn from one anoter. I guess I that is why I don't feel that most hunting videos apply to the average hunter hunting on public land.I could be wrong of course but thats how I feel because of my own experience. Sorry for being long winded and I have enjoyed reading your replys.