MMMMMM well let me just say after i shot the 30 pounder and Johnny landed the other one i think he was standing on hte tail of the fish while he was hanging on hte scales right John....Also have to say as we all know Zebco reel 30.00, reel seat 15.00 but the look on John's face as his arrow and reel went out into the river was PRICELESS..........we had a blast......