Nmaineron wolfen is not saying every new person to bow hunting is an idiot he is saying that if you don't do your part to learn and practice and then you go into the woods and wound an animal or do varius other dumb stuff THEN COME HERE AND ASK QUESTION'S after the fact you have failed to do your part and then being you are an idiot. He is also saying that there are lots of new people who DO take the inititive to learn and practice BEFORE entering the woods and there for they ARE NOT IDIOTS. I read his post's and I was able to desifer this message why is it that some of you still after 3 pages of post's still have your heads to far up your rear end's to read. Also the pie plate test is good and bad I like the idea of the test no doubt but myself I think it should be smaller than a pie plate. For the one's of you who STILL don't understand how this would help is......... by making people take a test is so that people must practice and be good with their bow thus reducing the number of wounded and cripped deer. The only people I could possibly see not wanting this would be the people who would have trouble passing this test. Every one has taken a hunters saftey coarse and it didn't kill you and this course would be no differnt. How in the world would some thing that would help make people better hunter's be bad? Another way to regulate hunter's? How is that I don't feel that we over regulated I know it is another topic so I will start another thread.