Taz-I reread the original post and it sure sounds to me like idiot was used pretty freely and it came across to me as whining about first timers trying bowhunting without a proficiency test of some sort. I have only been posting here for a few months but see a lot of judgement being passed without any facts. How did wolf boy know all those guys he was seeing buy gear weren't planning on practicing or for that matter upgrading gear? My point on regs and laws is that our opponents are pushing plenty hard to regulate what we do and we don't need to be pushing for more restricions.Good hunting.