Wow Wolfen68, I haven't posted on this forum for almost a year but I see that you are still stirring the pot. I agree with most of what you say and many of the beginner's are idiots but many of them are just learning through experience and unfortunately, that includes making mistakes. Hopefully, the ones that continue in this sport, will learn from these mistakes and get better because of them. Then in 5 or 10 years they will be condemming the beginners that follow in their footsteps. If you want to see real idiots, step onto to some state owned land next Friday, the 15th in Michigan (Opening day of gun -- I mean modern firearm season) and be sure to wear bulletproof outerwear.