I used the TC cheap shots last season for the first time and I couldnt have asked for better performance especially at 5.99 a pack from Cabelas. They were the 250 gr. ahead of 100 grains ff APP out of my stainless MDM Quicshooter rifle. I shot a very large doe at 20 yards with complete penetration and extreme upset to the lungs. Exit hole was about the size of a quarter.She went about 35 yards before expiring. My brother used them also with good results. He kiilled several deer until he went to the Hornady shockwaves. He did this only because he ran out of the cheap shots and couldnt find any in his area.