wow cayugad.....thank you soooo much...thats absolutely awesome...them are some prettttty nice guns...and the prices aint bad!! hmmmmm lol....thats definently something to think about.....im sure they used the fanicier wood in most the pics..but they are still all nice lookin guns..i just might be makin smoke by next spring gobbler season!!!! i just found out theres problems with my school loan...so i wont be buying till atleast fall....but man...i can start planning and dreaming!! and they say "clover leafs at 30yds is a normal grouping!!!!!" thats awesome!!! a 75cal round ball will knock the snot out of a deer.....and i can stuff a ton of BBs down that sucker.....

would you recommend the longer barrel or shorter?? i didnt read it all yet but noticed atleast one says you can choose 36 or 42 inches...since i want a good pattern for turkeys id think longer right?? and it cant really hurt...except a little more weight...a little more time to stabalize my giant roundballs....lol...if everything goes alright i just might have me a nice winter project...come home and do a little every weekend...then when winter breaks itll be ready to pattern....people will look at me like im nuts turkey hunting with a flinter!!! exspecially the guys with 3 and 1/2 inch mag semi autos lol.....