Cayugad-That's some pretty decent shooting, especially without magnification.[8D] The only gun I have a red dot on is my 11-87 slug gun. Now, you're making wanna go out and see what I can do with it @ 70 and 100yds! Oh, btw, you people who buy cheapie CVA's and shoot tight groups with them make me SICK. I'm not even gonna say I how much I unloaded my wallet for my Encore, but it was a hell of lot more than my Kodiak.[&o]