Thanks guys. excalibur, I'm going to the pro shop today and am going to see if I can actually organize a straight-up trade. Believe it or not, I'm pretty sure the retail on the Renegade is higher than this particular Hoyt's retail. It's not fully decked-out either, just sights, but I'd like to just transfer all my current stuff anyway. kwilson, did you by your Ultramag new? What did it set you back?