jghoff. He was shooting a 11-87 spst with the old Hevi 13 #6. The gun is short enough for him to hold. He has a 20ga 870 but with the season being this old I wanted the additional punch of the 12ga. The birds have been preasured here in Pa. His turkey had lead #4 and copper plated #6 in its breast. And I wondered why it was tough to kill.