grndhunter: LOL, last month I was sitting on a bucket of snakes, this post w/ film lid is like the half time shows at basketball games where they throw the ball from half court at the basket for $10,000 grand or so! It's like I made three of them in a row! Now, I'm scattering them all over the target, lucky to NOT get outside of the 9" thing you proposed. I was doin real good at 5" bulls at 30, but now I'm not, guess I burned all my luck up on the film lid, but dang, it felt good that day! Naturally, I quit right there. LOL And one other thing, there's no way I can go 1000 shots w/o going outside the 9" circle some.