spike....as much as i am known for preaching the best one can buy and dont buy crap.....i used to have a raven too. never had a problem with it. it was at least as accurate as it's intended purpose and never ever had a relaibility issue. as far as whoever said a 22 is better than a 25...well...bull....they both suck....at least the 25 doesnt have the inherent feeding problems that a 22lr does. unfortunately i traded my 25 for a 9mm taurus for my ex wife....will never pull that crap again...now im out my 25 and that 9.