BOTH OF MY BULLS WERE KILLED WITH LONG GUNS, MY 3X4 WAS KILLED WITH A MODIFIED SAVAGE 110 .270 AND MY LIL SPIKE WAS TAKEN WITH A .45 CAL BLACK POWDER. THE .270 WAS A REALLY FAST KILL BUT THE .45 JUST SEEMED TO TAKE FOREVER AND A DAY FOR TEH LIL BULL TO FALL.