There's a joke, down south that goes like this: The difference between a NORTHERN fairy tale and a SOUTHERN fairy tale is this. A Northern fairy tale starts out " Once upon a time" and the Southern version starts out " Ya'll ain't gonna believe this Sh*t". Well, I've been shooting 40-50 shots a day since I got my Phoenix. Most are 30 YDS. off-hand. Had some friends over today for beer and brats. I was shooting the xbow when they got here. I've got an overlay I made that has 2 1/2" holes showing black on McKenzie target at 30 yds. Not blowing my own whistle, but I was popping the 5" black fairly regular, so I reduced the size of my target. I'm now shooting at snuff can lids [2 1/2"]. Hit em some and miss em some, you know the drill. One of my wise arse buddies took the lid from a 35 mm film can out to the 30 yd target and taped it on there. Said "Lets see ya hit that, Big Boy! Lo and behold, I got it first shot! So, I took two more, and believe it or not I hit it all three times. I'd rather be lucky than good any day, LOL and this was huge luck factor!! Gonna try and post a picture of the film can lid, Hope it comes out, because this was a once in a life time thing!! Dan