crazy horse,going off the grouse for second. i had 1 beagle years ago when rabbits were all over. local friend had 4 beagles.he cleaned all rabbits out of areas i hunted. he hit those spots at least 3 times a week.that area never did come back.same with grouse. i saw a dcnr guywith 3 dogs, bird ones, get grouse here when we had hard time with 1 dog .he knew were every grouse was cause his fellow workers told him daily. he really is putting hurt on grouse but i understand he has stopped hunting but many others have taken his place. with less grouse and pressure on those few left, you can see what i am seeing. i agree, its hard to hit those grouse and that is what is saving some but i see a lot of grouse getting shot if you have right dogs and keep at it.i see more 2 or 3 dogs now hunting than ever before and what grouse are left are all in one area,not like years ago when grouse were all over and did not get pressure they get today.