Forgot something doug.If areas like quehanna were in fact affected by the winters of 2004/2005 then after this past year the herd should start to rebound like it always has.Good mast with our mild winter should start to see a rebound.But if too many demaps are handed out don't hold your breathe.

I also wanted to comment on your post on the previous page.As you said the forests are managed for timber.But it sure seems the birders are having their way with the meetings and involvement they have.So I think wildlife management does come into play and it should.After all the state forests were also set aside for open space and recreation as well as timber.