dangit! i shoulda took the gun and patterned it today.....that coming from you gets my hopes up!! i know all guns and chokes pattern diffrent...but my gun already throws remington hevishot very nicely...i gota find more of the stuff....id like 6s.....but we shall see how the 5s pattern....i like how they sell 5packs...makes it nice for patterning so your not wasting 25 bucks on something that your gun might not like....ill pattern it when i get a chance.....i want to draw up some good pattern boards so i can see the WHOLE pattern...like big pieces of cardboard or something...and draw a 3 inch circle...with a 10 and 30 inch circle around it...and break it up into segments before firing so counting is easier......