im trying to learn that patience thing.....i said i wouldnt set up if they werent gobbling because i dont want to educate and potential get busted by them again because they are silent......i hope they are there....and hope they are talking.....if they are there and talking on the roost ill sit as long as i can....which still isnt as long as id like....its hard to make me sit and wait for a turkey....thats my downfall....i can run the hills all day after turkeys...but when they arent talking thats all i do...i just LOVe hunting the hot active birds.....but i guess they dont all come that way...more and more these last few years i been noticing birds not talking after fly down....birds coming in silent etc...im trying to learn patience...i sat for 2hrs today in one spot and only fell asleep for a brief few minutes!! woke up and something was walking behind me...i KNEW it was a turkey..sounded like a turkey.....but wasnt no turkeys! lol....im determined to get one this season.....i need a confidence booster right about now...i killed 2 long beards 2yrs in a row on my own....now you can see i second guess everything i learned and know...last season was long and frustrating....mainly because i got hung up on hunting a behemouth BOSS tom....big son of a gun...he whopped me day in and day out....closest i came was the first time we met....saftey off..40yds...35yds..come out of strut....RUNs away...DANGED cows chased him!! i learned alot last season...im feeling so down i may even take a jake if im so lucky to get one in view of my bead and he gives me a good hunt....my confidence is down...and its been a tough year....not much action for me yet...4am comes early.....ill make a new post tomarrow....see what happens....3 things can happen...1 they arent there...2 they wont play.....3....things go my way...and im posting pics by noon! i hope they are talkin hard and running to my calls tomarrow....no doubt sat i would had a bird if them hunters didnt move in on me....i can only hope for the same to happen tomarow minus the hunters