I tried them all last summer and they suck.they did group good, but sounded like a helicopter coming at you. That is when you were standing cross from the shooter. I also noticed out past 25 yards, you start getting more of a drop, compared to othervanes. They also were not very durable. I was refletching on a daily basis. They wrinkled easy, the kickers fell off, etc... The quality might be better now, but if im spending that kind of money on a vane, it better last longer than the ones I tried last summer. Ill stick with blazers.